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"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
11/25/2014 at 08:44 • Filed to: None

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42 U.S.C 1983

Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer's judicial capacity, injunctive relief shall not be granted unless a declaratory decree was violated or declaratory relief was unavailable. For the purposes of this section, any Act of Congress applicable exclusively to the District of Columbia shall be considered to be a statute of the District of Columbia.

The purpose of this law traces back to post-Civil War south, it was a way for African-American's to fight back against an offending state or local government who had deprived them of their civil rights. This law doesn't not expand the citizen's substantive rights, rather it gives them a mechanism for individuals who have been deprived of fundamental constitutionally protected rights to bring a civil suit in Federal court where they may escape the prejudices of their local courts to gain a fair trial.

First the offending action must come from a state action. This means a person acting as an agent of state, acting within the color of the law. You can't sue private citizens or corporations under §1983. This state agent must be acting within the "color of law" simply meaning that "the misuse of power, possessed by virtue of state law and made possible only because the wrongdoer is clothed with the authority of state law" In other words, If you're off duty you're generally off the hook however if you deprive someone of their rights on duty, a claim can be possible.

Wrongful death and excessive use of force claims are one of the most prevalent 1983 claims; one of the most powerful things of a 1983 claim is that you can seek punitive damages to punish the agency which committed the offense. These are typically unavailable under the Wrongful Death Act. You can also seek damages for the abstract value of the life that was lost.

A grand jury might not find in favor in bringing charges against Officer Wilson because it may have been hard to get a conviction. But the burden of proof is much lower in a civil case, a sympathetic jury in a civil case could bankrupt the city of Ferguson and dissolve the Ferguson PD.

I hope they do.

DISCUSSION (56)

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Sweet Trav
11/25/2014 at 08:53

You are aware that every claim by the initial witness (i.e. the guy Brown had just fuckin' robbed a place with) was substantively false, right?

Brian Silvestro > Sweet Trav
11/25/2014 at 08:54

You don't browse oppo much, do you

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > Sweet Trav
11/25/2014 at 08:58

They would settle out of court and the family will sign a NDA, so the only social commentary that would continue would be Sharpton and obama.

Jayhawk Jake > Sweet Trav
11/25/2014 at 09:02

I've read a little bit about the case the last two days, and I don't understand why race has come in to play beyond the simple fact that it was a white police officer and a black suspect.

Brown had stolen property, that seems indisputable, so it's not like he was profiled for a crime he didn't commit.

Brown assaulted Wilson. That is clear from the evidence, Wilson was clearly punched in the face. The controversy here is mostly with Wilson's actions, but one thing we cannot deny is Brown was clearly much stronger and larger than Wilson, so defending himself without a tool, whether it be mace, a taser, or a weapon would have been difficult.

Wilson claims he fired his gun at Brown because Brown was charging at him with clear intent to harm him. This is where it seems things become a little unclear. Some witnesses seem to say that Brown had his hands up and was surrendering, but the grand jury clearly found the evidence to corroborate Wilson's testimony.

In either case where does race play any part? If Brown did indeed charge at Wilson after already assaulting him in his car I'd consider that an act of self defense, and while certainly sad and tragic it is not completely unjustified given the threat to Wilson's life. It also has nothing to do with the color of Brown's skin: if anything it was his size that lead Wilson to fire his gun. However I don't think that's really true, regardless of Brown's appearance he'd already attacked Wilson; Wilson had a reason to fear him beyond any other factors.

If the eyewitness reports were true, well, that isn't a case of racial profiling, it's a tragic case of a police officer acting in the wrong.

To me it sounds like people are using this as an excuse to play the race card, not actually looking at the facts. I personally see no reason to bring race into the debate after reading some of the evidence because there's just no evidence to make me think Wilson would have acted any differently if Brown was white.

Regardless, the actions of violent protesters in Ferguson are inexcusable. There's no excuse for damaging private and public property in the manner that they have. It's disrespectful to Brown and his family and an absolute disgrace. As an American citizen I am disgusted that this is how my country is being portrayed right now.

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > Sweet Trav
11/25/2014 at 09:06

I live in the St Louis burbs no where near Ferguson now, but I grew up until middle school much closer to the action today (just south of the airport, Ferguson is east).
They were post-war all-white communities that in the 1960 and 70s began to 'turn black.' The city governments and police forces still look like this is 1964. And the style of governing and policing is very much still like 1964.

The goal is to make it prickly and uncomfortable for black people. Weeds in the yard get white people phone calls but get black people get court dates. White people get speeding tickets, black people get their cars searched. 'Matched a description' is the excuse to ruin anybody's day at any time.

I met a guy that grew up in Ferguson. The very first time he had a gun drawn on him was a Ferguson cop. A group of about 5-6 kids, all 6th graders were playing tag in the park. 4 police cars swooped in, guns drawn, yelling at everybody to get on the ground, he was a 12 year old cuffed with a gun pointed at the back at the back of his head on the ground. For playing tag. Kids.

The goal of policing like that is so ensure that The Blacks™ know that the white man in the badge is always in charge, no matter what you're doing at the time.

yamahog > Brian Silvestro
11/25/2014 at 09:06

That's what I said, man. Why fuckin bother. Post your car shit, but don't pretend like there's any sort of higher-level discourse going on here to even make dissenting opinions worthwhile when the only response you're gonna get is some uneducated sharting from the mouths of mostly ignorant white dudes.

Sweet Trav > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
11/25/2014 at 09:07

You realize that shooting a fleeing suspect is illegal unless he presents a clear danger to others or the officer himself.

Had office Wilson shot and killed brown during the tussle in the car it would be a different story. Exiting the car in pursuit of brown makes brown a fleeing suspect to which the supreme court ruling Tennessee v. Garner would apply.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee…

yamahog > Sweet Trav
11/25/2014 at 09:09

Spoiler alert: ITT people who don't know what manslaughter is

BigBlock440 > Sweet Trav
11/25/2014 at 09:09

sympathetic jury in a civil case could bankrupt the city of Ferguson and dissolve the Ferguson PD.

I hope they do.

Why do you hope to leave the city of Ferguson without a police force? Are you a looter? Do you have a vendetta against someone who lives there?

Brian Silvestro > yamahog
11/25/2014 at 09:10

This comment.

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > Sweet Trav
11/25/2014 at 09:15

Believe it or not, in Missouri, a cop can shoot a fleeing felon in the back. Mike Brown punched Wilson and at that time qualified as a 'fleeing felon'. By Missouri law, Wilson could have shot him in the back (didn't but could have). The irony is that the Missouri law could never stand up to the Supreme Court decision, except get this: no one has ever brought a federal challenge to the Missouri law. As it sits on the books, it's unconstitutional, but until somebody challenges it and a court strikes it down, they can continue to use it.

Sam > BigBlock440
11/25/2014 at 09:17

Couldn't they be policed by the St Louis police?

Sweet Trav > BigBlock440
11/25/2014 at 09:17

Well personally I think all local law enforcement should be dissolved and State Police should be only the authorized police force in a given state. (Which in the event of dissolution the Missouri State Police/Highway patrol and county police would take over)

Local police are generally poorly trained, and too much a part of the community that they need to enforce to see things objectively and without bias.

Plus as State Police troopers have statewide jurisdiction and can be moved where they are needed and police the neighborhoods that need policing instead of running speed traps in wealthy neighborhoods.

But to answer your question, There seems to be clear evidence of systematic racism, profiling and all sorts of violations of the 14th amendment going on in Ferguson

Sweet Trav > Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius
11/25/2014 at 09:18

Lets hope they do. All the more reason to bring a 1983 claim.

OPPOsaurus WRX > Jayhawk Jake
11/25/2014 at 09:19

One thing I didn;t realize until last night is they were both 6'4. I always thought it was a giant vs some little 5'8 guy.

I think the race card is coming in because there was already shit going on and this was seen as a continuation / elevation of that. there are too many shady things going on, procedures not followed, stories changed, and who knows if evidence was tampered. It seems as if (not that I necessarily believe this) he may have used excessive force and items against that were pushed aside so that it would be harder to prove otherwise.

A couple things that caught my attention was the medical examiner not taking pictures because he didn;t have a battery for his camera and Wilson's first story of what happened was not documented and it wasn;t until the next day with his lawyer his story was written.

My boss's theory on all this is that Obama is encouraging these types of things so that than can be widespread rioting requiring him to declare national marshal law and to gain a third term in office by delaying elections due to all the unrest. yep....

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > Jayhawk Jake
11/25/2014 at 09:19

Click the SEE ALL REPLIES button and read my commentary up higher on life in north St Louis County. The community outpouring is not about a cop shooting a criminal. That's the symptom, the trigger, but not the cause of the rioting.

Poor whites and poor blacks commit petty crime and violent crime at almost exactly the same rates. But the policing toward blacks and the social action taken toward blacks is wholly different than whites doing exactly the same thing.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Sweet Trav
11/25/2014 at 09:20

Whether or not he was fleeing is *very much* in question. All entry wounds took place from the front, with blood spatter (it has been argued) indicating approach, not retreat. One of the torso shots passed through his arm - entry and exit before entry, this demonstrating that "hands up" is utterly, utterly false.

The popular story that Brown was fleeing is *not* what is claimed by defense, and has not been proven. There are two sets of witness testimony, and so far, the one entering popular legend has little correlation with the forensics.

ACESandEIGHTS > Sweet Trav
11/25/2014 at 09:20

There is nothing toxic about this post.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > yamahog
11/25/2014 at 09:21

My sharting is quite educated and only moderately ignorant, thank you.

yamahog > Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius
11/25/2014 at 09:23

I admire your efforts but there is no use trying to reason with someone who drops the term "race card" in full seriousness.

Jayhawk Jake > OPPOsaurus WRX
11/25/2014 at 09:25

The point about surrounding issues with race being tied to this is exactly my point: it's being used as an excuse for the race debate. If there are existing issues with racial profiling in the PD that's a totally separate issue.

As far as Wilson being the same height as Brown, that's fine and dandy but Brown could still be much larger

And that Obama thing...sigh....

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Jayhawk Jake
11/25/2014 at 09:26

To me it sounds like people are using this as an excuse to play the race card, not actually looking at the facts.

This stopped being about Michael Brown within hours of things escalating. I don't see people clamoring for justice for Michael Brown the way they were for Trayvon Martin because it's a different scenario. The protesters in Ferguson are responding to decades of systematic and targeted repression. This is about a pattern of police departments and local governments that have no public confidence or accountability. While some are there from urban St. Louis to try to profit however they can from it, everything that I can see is showing that it's the peaceful protesters who are there for the right reasons who are trying to stop them and protect local businesses, not the police. I actually hope that things escalate farther, because the media and most white people still don't understand what this is about and shit needs to change. I don't see the police allowing their strangleholds on communities like this to be released without a fight.

Jayhawk Jake > Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius
11/25/2014 at 09:26

Still not an excuse for rioting.

Jayhawk Jake > yamahog
11/25/2014 at 09:27

Whatever, it's a turn of phrase. Try contributing positively to the conversation

Jayhawk Jake > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
11/25/2014 at 09:30

The protesters should have worked harder to distance themselves from the case. If things escalate further as far as the violence and looting are concerned that's not going to help the cause, it'll only make things worse

ly2v8-Brian > Jayhawk Jake
11/25/2014 at 09:31

The media helped skew it that way.

Jayhawk Jake > ly2v8-Brian
11/25/2014 at 09:36

True, but if we ignore the decision of the grand jury we deny the validity of our own justice system. We can debate the facts all day but the jury had them and made a decision.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > ly2v8-Brian
11/25/2014 at 09:36

Yep, this. Can't separate yourself from something when the media is trying to write the story as simply as possible.

yamahog > Jayhawk Jake
11/25/2014 at 09:37

No, it's actually ignorant as hell, and if you can't grasp something that basic, it's not worth my time bringing you up to speed or whatever you think constitutes a "positive contribution." Not sorry.

wkiernan > Sweet Trav
11/25/2014 at 09:37

Besides the actual killing, I think Brown's family also has a case against the prosecutor. Have you ever heard of a grand jury case where the prosecutor was so clearly and openly an advocate for the defense? I've never seen anything like it. From Brown's family's point of view, they might as well have appointed Darren Wilson as the prosecutor.

Jayhawk Jake > yamahog
11/25/2014 at 09:40

God you're so full of yourself. I can't even.

ly2v8-Brian > Jayhawk Jake
11/25/2014 at 09:41

Right, and a lot of media outlets cut away once he gave the verdict, and didn't show the reasons and evidence for the decision.

BigBlock440 > Sam
11/25/2014 at 09:44

Maybe? I don't know the city limits or local jurisdictions.

Sweet Trav > wkiernan
11/25/2014 at 09:46

I'm not really sure how they would go about proving anything, but I am sure that he has committed political suicide as all his opponent has to do is mention his involvement in this case.

That's probably why he was such a staunch supporter, "Fuck it I'm not going to be re-elected here, I might as well go hard on my racist values and disregard my oath" Which is as follows, for the record.

I do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Missouri;

That I will maintain the respect due courts of justice, judicial officers and members of my profession and will at all times conduct myself with dignity becoming of an officer of the court in which I appear;

That I will never seek to mislead the judge or jury by any artifice or false statement of fact or law;

That I will at all times conduct myself in accordance with the Rules of Professional Conduct; and,

That I will practice law to the best of my knowledge and ability and with consideration for the defenseless and oppressed.

So help me God.

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > Jayhawk Jake
11/25/2014 at 09:46

There is no 'excuse for a race debate' there is an genuine need for a race debate.

Let me switch topics and see if it make more sense. Some people, my wife and her friends included are anti-vaccination. Vaccinations are evil and poisoning our children. She gets the privilege, yes, I use that word privilege, of saying that after about 80 successful years of vaccinations that have all but wiped out many deadly and debilitating diseases. It's no longer a Public Health issue to her because there is no longer a Public Health emergency, so now it gets to be a personal issue.

So now that we don't have polio, or measles or small pox, now we can debate the safety of the ingredients that go into the vaccine.

You are starting from the place of privilege, not being followed by security at the mall, not being searched at every traffic stop, not being told you 'match a description' and being cuffed and parked on the curb in the rain for an hour then released because the whole thing was bullshit to start with....

You get to assume your dignity and belonging in public. Everyone around you assumes your dignity and your presence as well. Not everybody lives your life, dude. So you get to say, after however many years of NOT being harassed and NOT being arrested and NOT being denied good jobs and ONLY being hired for shitty jobs, what you would and wouldn't do in this situation.

But now picture yourself telling a family in Uganda how poisonous the polio vaccine is and why they shouldn't give it to their child.

yamahog > Jayhawk Jake
11/25/2014 at 09:48

See, now that's a turn of phrase.

ly2v8-Brian > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
11/25/2014 at 09:50

Yeah, I just don't get this bs because I don't really think of race. If there's a problem work to fix it. Right now theres a problem in their community. The cops need to adjust their conduct and escalation of force doctrine. On the flip side, the people of that community need to take action over themselves and force out their criminal element.

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > wkiernan
11/25/2014 at 09:50

Actually, yes, this is quite common. Prosecutors can almost always get the outcome they want from grand juries.

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius
11/25/2014 at 09:51

McCollugh has no term limits and has run unopposed for a decade at least. It's his job until he decides he doesn't want it anymore.

Jayhawk Jake > Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius
11/25/2014 at 09:53

I didn't say there's no excuse for a race debate. Don't put words in my mouth. I was saying that tying this case to the race debate is pointless and does more harm than good in my opinion because it drives the public away from the wider race issue at hand.

Do you follow that? There is clearly a race problem in Ferguson. We need to talk about that, not about Brown and Wilson. Brown and Wilson isn't a case of racial profiling, it's a tragic confrontation between a police officer and a robbery suspect. By using it as the focal point of a race debate you get ignorant assholes like myself coming along and seeing no race in this case and not seeing the larger issue.

I see that now, and I am grateful to you for making that clear. Just please don't make it sound like I'm not advocating for racial equality.

Sweet Trav > Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius
11/25/2014 at 09:55

See: Cultural Impact

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham_sandw…

Sweet Trav > Jayhawk Jake
11/25/2014 at 09:59

http://www.propublica.org/article/deadly…

Actually in reality, looking at statistics it likely would have.

Jayhawk Jake > yamahog
11/25/2014 at 09:59

Look, I made a mistake with my initial post but that's opened my eyes to the issue at hand.

Initially I thought all this had to do with Brown and Wilson. Can you really blame me? That's what the news reports make it seem like, and generally speaking I didn't really care to look into it beyond that. Now it's been made clear to me that there is a much larger race issue at hand in Ferguson, which makes me feel even stronger about my opinion that the Brown case is being used as a tool in a debate that it has no place.

Because of the fact that Wilson v Brown really had little to do with race people like me see it and go 'pshh, this isn't a race issue, this just happened to be a white dude and a black kid'. If we stopped treating the Wilson-Brown case as the focal point of the issue and instead focused on the actual racial profiling issues in Ferguson we could make some progress.

But it wasn't your comments calling me an ignorant asshole that opened my eyes to the real issue. It was the other people who corrected me instead of criticizing me. So again, let's try to have a constructive discussion instead of just throwing insults around.

BigBlock440 > Sweet Trav
11/25/2014 at 10:02

It was mainly a joke, but on that note, I disagree with the only police being state police. Sure, a state police force is typically better funded and trained, maybe some locals do like their speed traps, but that's no reason to eliminate all local police forces. Where I live, the nearest state barracks is 20 minutes away. I used to live where the nearest was 45 minutes away. I can see the local station from my house. My previous residence didn't have a local force, my current one does. Even with my only really negative experiences being from local police, I still don't hold that sentiment.

There are many situations that a local police force is perfectly suited for. Domestic disturbances, bar fights, getting a cat out of a tree, dispatching a deer that was hit by a car, securing an accident scene, etc. There are a lot of things that would almost be a waste of time to have a state trooper drive 45 minutes out to address, when someone just down the road could take care of. There would also need to be a much larger state police force to have even similar coverage.

Can you point to the "clear evidence of systematic racism"? I haven't seen any myself, but haven't looked into it, being half a country away. And, in most cases I hear that line, there actually isn't, so I'm skeptical.

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > BigBlock440
11/25/2014 at 10:08

St Louis county (which does not include St Louis City) has 93 municipalities, 93! Plus large swaths of unincorporated county. Most of those cities have their own police forces and courts. Some of them co-op and share police forces. Some of them have neither and contract with the county to provide police and court services. It's a ton of overhead, a ton of patronage, a ton of waste.

That being said, many of the cities north and east of the airport 'turned black' in the 60s-80s. The cities and police forces are still almost all white and are still run like this is the mid-1960s and thier duty is to 'keep The Blacks™ in their place.'

Forces that small don't change. They don't have the resources for better training or philosophy or the ability to rotate cops in and out of areas where their personalities just don't fit.

A city as small and a resource poor as Ferguson doesn't have enough motivation or willingness to change. If they think they will keep policing like they have been and keep violating people like they have been for decades, they should be dissolved.

Sweet Trav > BigBlock440
11/25/2014 at 10:16

Having all police united under one system of procedures would do wonders for the criminal justice system on both sides. As for location, there would clearly need to be more state police posts but seeing as we would have all these awesome county Sheriff's buildings that are now vacant, I'm sure they could re-purpose a few for state duties

Why wouldn't you want the most trained person for job, especially when that job is walking around with a gun on your hip administering law enforcement whether it is getting a cat from a tree, breaking up a bar fight or handling domestic abuse?

My opinion is that police are only react to crime and do not prevent crime, having a cop 4 minutes or 20 minutes away, you're still dead/robbed/assaulted. I am one to believe that citizens ought to be responsible for their own personal safety.

As for the evidence, a google search will show you complaints filed before the Brown shooting that paint the Ferguson police in a poor light. Drakkon has a written a pretty good perspective of someone from that area up near the top of this thread.

BigBlock440 > Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius
11/25/2014 at 10:24

I kinda see what you're saying, but I don't think it's unique to St. Louis. I looked at my county, and there are 78 municipalities in my county, though it is bigger. St Louis county is 524 sq miles, so it's 5.6 sq miles per municipality average. Go to Philadelphia county, and there are 30 municipalities in 143 sq miles, or 4.7 sq miles per municipality average. I have a feeling you'll get that in almost every metropolitan area.

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > BigBlock440
11/25/2014 at 10:35

St Louis is uniquely fucked up in that in the 1880s, the fine people in St Louis City decided they didn't want to bu us hicks out here public water and sewers so they broke off St Louis city as its own 'county.' They have everything a city has PLUS everything a county has such as but not limited to...

A police department and a sheriff's department

A city court system and a county court system

A city property assessor and a county property assessor...

So if Philadelphia is included in its 'county' then the economic fir power of the city center itself is included in those services, here, they are not. Messed up 100 different ways. And many of those cities are not more than 1-2 square miles, but they still have whole services.

BigBlock440 > Sweet Trav
11/25/2014 at 10:45

I agree with that, my thoughts were mainly on suspect apprehension or accident response. Not everybody has flashing lights to warn other motorists of an accident ahead, and police are often (not always, but often) the first to the scene.

As for location, there would clearly need to be more state police posts but seeing as we would have all these awesome county Sheriff's buildings that are now vacant, I'm sure they could re-purpose a few for state duties

They would still be property of the local government, as they usually house all aspects of the local government. Though a deal may be worked out in some instances, I'm not up on all the local and state regulations regarding such issues and can't say that option would be available.

As to why I wouldn't want the most trained person for the job, it's not that at all. Many municipalities have very different regulations and laws (burn bans, noise restrictions, etc). Who would be responsible for enforcing them? Would a state trooper be required to learn every municipality in the state? Would municipalities no longer be allowed to govern themselves?

Also, who's to say there can't be corruption in the state force as well? Especially a barracks that has 2-3 people in it?

Sweet Trav > BigBlock440
11/25/2014 at 10:50

I can only go off of personal my experience in dealing with cops and that is at least in Michigan, state police troopers are far more courteous, respectful, and better trained to handle more situations than my local county boys who I wouldn't trust with a pea-shooter let alone a real gun.

Although I was happy to see that my local police and county police have not bought a bunch of MRAPs and military equipment surplus crap from the government, just a couple of M4's and EMR39's which i think in some cases are perfectly suited for Rural police work.

BigBlock440 > Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius
11/25/2014 at 10:55

That doesn't sound all that odd to me. My "town" of a few hundred people has it's own water/sewer/police department. Stretching it, it's about 2 miles long. The one 5 miles to the north has it's own as well. I think it's more common than people are saying, at least in the areas that were populated back when it took a day to travel 10 miles.

bhardoin > yamahog
11/25/2014 at 11:55

Don't act like we're just a hoard of buffoons. There's a few hundred people reading these posts, and it only takes one person with another opinion to spark an interesting conversation.

yamahog > bhardoin
11/25/2014 at 12:01

That'd be lovely. However, after trying rather nicely for the past year to have interesting and civil discussions and getting nothing but shart in response, pardon my lack of faith.

bhardoin > yamahog
11/25/2014 at 12:08

I am aware of the lackluster (and reasonable, given your interactions here) impression you have of this community. But don't make assumptions about individuals based on stereotypes of the general populus.

yamahog > bhardoin
11/25/2014 at 12:11

#notallopponauts?

bhardoin > yamahog
11/25/2014 at 12:21

haha, I like it. I think I'll just throw that around as a reply to posts I find bigoted or ignorant.